coconut oil?

topic posted Wed, May 6, 2009 - 3:00 PM by  Unsubscribed
There was a baker on Martha Stewart today that was using coconut oil instead of butter in her recipe.

She mentioned that coconut oil is stored in your body as energy instead of fat (but isn't fat stored energy?) um yeah, I only put the stuff in my hair.

Just curious if any of you use the stuff in your cooking and what you like to use it for.
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  • Re: coconut oil?

    Wed, May 6, 2009 - 5:58 PM
    Some people think it's a miracle food. The book Eat Fat, Lose Fat (Mary Enig?) is a popular one that posits that saturated fats can help us lose weight because they're a) not actually fattening and b) are satisfying, so we eat less sugar and processed junk.
    Don't know what I think of this... though coconuts seem to have plenty of good stuff in them, including a good Omega balance.

    I keep CO on hand for when I run out of butter, and when I'm making something for someone who can't have dairy.

    -There's an amazing flourless chocolate cake recipe I lean on for holidays with certain family members, and when I use CO it adds a coconutty flavor that we all like.
    -I've used CO in regular chocolate chip cookies, and my kids don't like the flavor there so much, but we've found that it fades overnight or so.
    -It adds a nice rich theater-y flavor to popcorn popped in my stovetop popper, but it does smoke more than the olive oil I usually use (not a virgin version, mind you)

    Some say to use only 3/4 as much CO as you would butter. Sometimes I do this, but sometimes I forget, and I haven't noticed a difference. At the price per pound of CO versus butter, I'd try the 3/4 version when you can.
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      Fri, June 19, 2009 - 1:42 PM
      The key for cooking with coco oil is the fact that it's not really a high heat oil. So when you doing thinking like deep frying you have to really manage the temperature. So if you were going to use it as a replacement for butter (saute) or for frying (corn/sunflower seed) I'd stick to light recipes. If your looking for easy recipes Try a bunch of gourmet ones from Usually you can substitue the butter for coco oil
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    Wed, May 6, 2009 - 6:56 PM
    HA HA HA HA HA Coconut oil is a fatty acid. Lots and lots of it. It'll make you fat as a cow in no time at all if you eat enough.

    Stewart has never been known for her penetrating insightful analysis of the claims of the loons she has on her show or in her rag.

    And interestingly fats are energy the body can store quite readily.

    One day there shall come a great plague upon the land ( according to the prophesy)

    Upon that awful day there shall arise a whole new attitude towards beauty when it's mostly all the fat people who survive.

    According to the prophesy.

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      Fri, May 8, 2009 - 9:43 PM
      You mean a whole new attitude, as in back to the old attitude...after all, before tv and mass worldwide commercialism, a plumper figure was considered healthier and also more attractive. Everything old is new again.

      Yeah, I knew coconut products could be fattening if not eaten in moderation, that's why I was confused. After I heard the comment on Martha, I was wondering more if it would be a good replacement for butter in something like granola, as far as nutrition benefits go.
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    Wed, May 6, 2009 - 10:49 PM
    Coconut oil has been touted as helping a number of health issues including thyroid problems. However, you need to make sure that it's pure (virgin). Also, there is no such thing as extra virgin coconut oil, though some companies tout it as such. I've known people to swear by it's virtues for helping body aches and something called Leaky Gut Syndrome.

    I think the thing with any fat is moderation (and portion control is always the big thing with dieting). The daily serving size of CO is up to 3 tablespoons. The most important thing to make sure of if you use it is that it's pure and not hydrogenated as much of what you find in the US is - we all know that hydrogenated fats are terrible for us.

    It's supposed to be great on vegetables in place of butter, but I've only used it in popcorn, and (rarely) to fry meat like lean pork or chicken breasts on the stove - in place of butter. It's supposed to be a "good" saturated fat because it's not from an animal like lard or butter. I've also been told that it can be used for vegan recipes in place of butter because it's not from animals, but I don't know any vegans, so I really don't know for sure if that is the case.

    Besides being good for your hair, it's also a great massage oil.
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      Thu, May 7, 2009 - 7:13 AM
      ***********The daily serving size of CO is up to 3 tablespoons. ***************

      Is that with or without a reduction on other fats?

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        Thu, May 7, 2009 - 9:47 PM
        Hm, good question. I don't think that takes into account the other fats, I was told to go by that for the health benefits and that it can be taken straight (but that is way too gross for me). I personally would think that you would count that in your total intake (to some point at least) - I can't imagine that extra fat would be so great for the weight issues. I haven't decided if I buy the whole health benefits thing, and don't know if I can (or want to?) get the extra butter and such out of my daily diet to work in the CO.
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    Thu, May 7, 2009 - 1:19 PM
    CO is great! It's good for high heat cooking too... I started using about a year ago and use it more and more and love it.
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      Thu, May 7, 2009 - 9:57 PM
      Trix, in what ways do you use it? Do you just replace other oils/butter in cooking, or do you use it like butter on other things (like toast and veggies)?
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        Fri, May 8, 2009 - 7:15 AM
        I don't know, Cliff, about your kind "cow" comment.
        I have many friends who are heavy, and they all restrict fat and caloric intake and exercise a couple of times a week.
        They wouldn't touch coconut oil. They're not losing any weight.

        I eat plenty of butter, coconut/oil, eggs, sour cream, nuts, avocado, and the many dairy products I make myself from fresh milk from the farm, which has probably twice the fat content of "whole" milk from the store. I cook with butter, coconut oil, and olive oil.
        I stay slim and healthy, despite getting very little exercise compared to my friends. My blood pressure tends to be slightly low.

        I pretty much eat the foods above, plus veggies, whole grains, and a bit of meat.
        Nothing processed/packaged/dehydrated/etc, no corn syrup, no corn oil or soy products, etc, etc, in stark contrast with the above friends.

        I do have a few friends who raise their own chickens, so they eat a lot of eggs, often fried in coconut oil.
        They have habits like mine, and they're doing just fine for our species.

        I find it curious that as the USDA has increasingly induced us to cut down on cholesterol, fat, and calories, the nation's heart health has not improved at all, and obesity has blossomed to the rate we see today.

        I don't think anybody has all the answers, but we're not going to figure this out clinging too tightly to old assumptions.
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          Thu, May 14, 2009 - 11:28 PM
          I agree, fixit fox. I actually used to eat very much like that (I don't now because of money issues - it really shouldn't cost so much to eat naturally). I was told by my doctor to lose weight (because all of my health problems stem from that - yeah, right), so I found out about a book that explains the French way of eating and discovered that it was much like I ate as a child (when I had many health problems, but no weight problem). So, I gave it a shot - I lost 80 pounds and kept it off for a long time with little to no exercise.

          The USDA does have some seriously messed up guidlines (sp?). I'm hoping to be able to get back to that way of eating as soon as our money situation gets better. It is hard to be in a wheelchair now knowing I used to walk and be 70-80 pounds lighter.
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            Mon, June 15, 2009 - 11:12 PM
            Okay, I need to qualify the weight loss (personally) part in eating the fats and natural foods. When you eat quality food (not filled with chemicals) and healthy amounts of fat (rather than trying to avoid them), you are satisfied sooner and therefore eat less. Also, you need to make sure not to inhale your food so that you give your brain time to recieve the "I'm satisfied" message from your stomach (I believe it takes about 15 minutes or so). When we shovel our food in, we end up getting this message after we've eaten sometimes twice as much as we need (I can't find the article that explained that - I read one online a few years back). This is explained in the book The Fat Fallacy (it's the whole French Diet thing) also.

            I can only laugh at people looking for the "miracle" diets that allow them to stuff their face with Twinkies and still lose weight. Even in the book mentioned above, the author states that you need to follow the appropriate serving size. I ate whatever I wanted (for the most part), but I watched how much I ate and ate slow enough to make sure that I didn't stuff myself.
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          Thu, June 4, 2009 - 7:13 AM
          ****************I have many friends who are heavy, and they all restrict fat and caloric intake and exercise a couple of times a week.
          They wouldn't touch coconut oil. They're not losing any weight. ***************

          Can't help ya there babe.
          Any nutritionist will tell ya that it's the calories taken in, versus the calories burned.

          God knows I am one the losing side of that equation. Gets worse every year.

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            Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:18 AM
            Totally true Cliff...and what many people looking for a magic solution don't want to hear! (It's why it's so easy to sell people "miracle" diets, foods and other health fads....everyone wants things for no money/energy/effort's a bit like the housing crisis but in health terms!) Certainly eating and exercising intelligently plays into this but the basic principle is calories in vs calories out (whether the calories come from fat, carbs or protein).
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              Thu, June 4, 2009 - 11:30 AM
              Actually, if you eat nothing but protein, you will starve yourself. You can't make enough of the stuff to digest protein, which comes from your kidneys, to deal with an entirely protein diet. This is why you DO loose weight on the atkins diet. It's incredibly unhealthy, leads to all sorts of vitamin deficiencies, starts poisoning your kidneys as they try to keep up, and starves your brain. If you eat enough fat with the protein this doesn't happen though. It would only be a problem if you were trying to live off of nothing but fish, or venison or some other very lean meat. My Moms a nurse practitioner, and a vegetarian that started out as a nutritionist. She HATED the atkins thing.
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                Thu, June 4, 2009 - 12:13 PM
                Yeah, Linsey, a name for it is Rabbit Starvation!


                All I'm saying, Cliff, is I eat lots of fat every day- but no junky stuff- and I have never been overweight.
                When I worked manual labor jobs in my twenties, I would eat 5 meals/day and would lose weight to the point of being underweight.

                Processed foods are the real villain.
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                Mon, June 8, 2009 - 6:58 AM
                If you only eat fat and protein, you'll also cause all kinds of health problems for yourself. It's about balance. Our bodies need carbs, fats and protein. The reason most people lose weight on an Atkin's Diet is both the effect of starting a diet combined wit cutting out carbs (particularly refined carbs). Most people eat a lot of carbs and often in an unhealthy form - cut them out and it cuts out a huge amount of calories from refine carbs for most people. A healthy diet includes complex carbs from whole grains, lean protein and healthy oils and fats. A healthy plate for most people is composed of a lot of veggies dressed with healthy oils, a small portion of protein and a small portion of complex carbs. Also, lots of fish has plenty of healthy oils (though white fish tends to have more omega 6s which most North Americans already overconsume, cold water fish like salmon, mackerel, etc are the ones that provide omega 3s). Fats, protein and carbs are all good for us when eaten in balance and not excess.

                As a general rule, people who claim one product (that they sell) is a miracle answer to being overweight, cure cancer and so on, are working a con that's no different when it comes from Big Organic than it is when it comes from Big Food (it's often a game of spot the difference really). Selling the idea that you must eat a lot of it all time is pretty obviously a way to move more product.
      • Re: coconut oil?

        Wed, May 13, 2009 - 9:12 AM
        Hey Donna...

        CO has a definite coconut flavor so it's not always a good replacement for butter. I tend to use it in dishes where the spices or flavors outpace the coconut taste. I brown meats, use it in stir frys, and it's great on toast as a snack too. It's great as a butter substitute for backing, especially sweeter pastries and cookies.

        Your body processes CO much easier and elegantly than other oils.

        On the downside it is very expensive.
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    Mon, May 11, 2009 - 4:49 PM
    Apparently one of the healthiest oils to cook with.

    According to Jerry Brunetti, Food as Medicine

    (part 2 about ten minutes in)

    Coconut Oil

    This stuff is amazing. This is a very healing oil. It is good for the skin and eat lots of it.
    Contains medium chain fatty acids.
    Rich in anti-microbial lauric acid, caprilic acid- all are anti-inflammatory. These same substances are all found in abundance in human breast milk because they are anti-pathenogenic and anti infective.
    Lauric acid particularly is very anti-infective.
    That’s why skin cancer really responds to coconut oil just by rubbing it on the skin.
    92% saturated (which is why it got demonized) but saturated means very resistant to rancidity.

    Jerry also talks about it not making you fat as it is very satisfying and cuts your sugar cravings- not to mention medicinal. Sugar (insulin) and carbs are what make people fat, not fat. I'm sure there is tons of truth to this (people out there eating 'non fat' are just getting bigger and bigger) although the high caloric content of fat does make me doubt you could chug gallons of it and not gain weight.
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      Wed, May 13, 2009 - 6:33 AM
      Fat still makes people fat, it's just that a low or no fat diet isn't very satiating so people eating no or low fat tend to feel hungry all the time (and become more likely to binge on unhealthy fatty foods rather than eating a little bit of healthy fat). It really doesn't matter how you ingest calories when you overeat, it's about the calories in and calories out ratio. Really, like most things it's about moderation and not looking for a magical substance that will replace moderation and being sensible. Being moderate and conscious with coconut oil (despite the recommendations by those who sell it to lather it onto things!), butter and other saturated fats is important. Don't get sucked into food industry hype!
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    Wed, May 13, 2009 - 10:01 AM
    Della - Yes, fat is stored energy so what the baker said makes no sense (and is no doubt just more marketing drivel from those who make money selling coconut oil as a "miracle food" when it's as unhealthy as any other saturated fat in large quantities).
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      Wed, May 13, 2009 - 7:32 PM
      That's what I thought.
      So this bakery, Baby Cakes, I guess they have a lot of vegan, and gluten free stuff. The baker said that she started a gluten free diet because of health problems or allergies and whatnot. Well her mother was in the audience and Martha ask her if she had to do a lot of allergen free cooking for the woman when she was little, and the mom was like "no, I was never aware of any food allergies" with a face that said "I think my daughter is a hypocondriac". It was priceless.
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        Thu, May 14, 2009 - 7:40 AM
        How funny! Food can definitely be the site of control issues of all kinds! While I have friends who have very legitimate gluten-intolerance, for some people I know special diets can be a way to control their environment and people around them (in the same way anorexics do, there's an aspect that's also about self control and "purity"...very prevalent amongst raw foodists I've found). There's also a big difference between getting indigestion or being intolerant of something and being allergic. That said, quite a lot of people seem to develop gluten/wheat intolerance as adults so who knows really. I suspect that once upon a time people used to just be stoic about indigestion and these kinds of things (and there was also a much less diverse range of foods available). I also suspect that there's an aspect that is stress related (acute stress interferes with digestion) and wonder about GM wheat and whether a lack of biodiversity has contributed to what seems to be a growing general intolerance to wheat/gluten. There is, of course, also the fad aspect and the great amounts of money to be made from expensive specialty products (that aren't really more expensive to make).
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          Thu, May 14, 2009 - 7:58 AM
          (Side note about anorexia:
          Despite the prevalent stereotype, anorexia is often simply a symptom of depression.
          "I feel fat" gets taken at face value, when it's really code for "I am miserable."
          It's more often a slow, painful suicide/self torture method than a narcissistic/OCD type manifestation.)

          Anyway... coconut oil...

          I've seen that too, with budding "health nuts" whose parents want to deny that there is a problem-
          if there is, that means they must have failed their kids, so it's less painful to write off their concerns as paranoid.
          It's a shame.
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            Thu, May 14, 2009 - 10:12 AM
            The thing is, most "health nuts" are extremists and often do things that aren't actually very healthy. There's a big difference between simply living healthily - getting enough exercise and eating balanced meals - and being obsessed in a way that is psychologically, and usually physically, unhealthy.

            Certainly people with anorexia aren't happy and are suffering from depression, that doesn't mean they aren't trying to control both their own feelings and their environment through controlling their food intake. Or that they don't have a distorted body image (anorexics don't just feel fat so much as they look fat to themselves even when emaciated...very few of us actually have an accurate body image, women tend to see themselves as fatter and men tend to see themselves as thinner than they are). Anorexia is about perfectionism (not so much narcissism or OCD), its why rates have risen in young men as advertising promoting highly idealized images of men have become more prevalent. Where did you get the idea that anorexia is simply a symptom of depression? It really is its own thing and functions and manifests differently than bulimia and clinical depression. Anyway, my point was merely that *some* people use special diets as a means of social control and/or personal control.
            • Re: coconut oil? ...tangent

              Thu, May 14, 2009 - 12:43 PM
              Oh Fifi,
              I used the phrase "health nut" in the voice of the parent who feels insulted (or whatever) when her child, say, stops eating wheat when he realizes he feels a lot better overall without it.
              I agree with you though- people can get nutty and go too far and CAN lose sight of actual health.

              As for anorexia, I speak from experience.
              I am troubled to see the disorder so greatly misunderstood by our culture.
              Each person is an individual, of course, so maybe the stereotypes fit some people, but certainly not all people.
              When therapists and friends and family insist on clinging to the dominant old control/perfectionism themes, they can do more harm than good when trying to support someone for whom these theories do not apply.

              It IS its "own thing," and as we have come to discover, the nutritional deficiencies that can result from malnutrition can compound the problem immensely.
              As I tried to say before, it's strange to me that folks in the psychotherapy(etc) field are such masters of allegory and metaphor until a skinny person looks in the mirror and frowns.
              When they say, "I'm still not skinny enough," they MEAN, "I'm still not happy, and my life isn't getting any better, no matter how much I punish myself for being inadequate."
              Certainly I agree that "*some* people use special diets as a means of social control and/or personal control."
              -but I believe that in the majority of cases, it's still more complicated than it appears.

              The only book I've seen on this subject that comes close to illuminating the true nature of anorexia is:
              The Secret Language of Eating Disorders: How You Can Understand and Work to Cure Anorexia and Bulimia
              by Peggy Claude-Pierre

              Anyway... coconuts are yummy :)
              My kids like to trot around the house banging the empty halves together.
              • Re: coconut oil? ...tangent

                Sat, May 16, 2009 - 7:11 AM
                fixit - Yes coconuts are yummy (and fun for kids!). I am not rejecting your experience and appreciate you sharing (and am not suggesting I know your personal experience simply because I'm very familiar with anorexia in other people as an observer). I've never been anorexic so I can't speak from personal experience in that manner but my sister was and quite a few friends were. I think we agree that not everyone's situation is exactly the same, it is pretty clear in the case of people I know that it's related to family dynamics and social expectations (and childhood trauma, either overt or covert), and in some cases other mental health issues. I grew up around anorexia (but then what woman doesn't in our culture?). I've also known quite a few anorexic men over the years (who weren't recognized as anorexic at the time, Gay culture promotes the same kind of idealized body and the critical objectifying gaze). Food related disorders can take many forms - all of them distort our relationship with food and our body. I've never run into a psychotherapist who thinks anorexia is actually about wanting to be skinny and I'm sorry if you've been unfortunate enough to have that experience.

                Just to be clear, when I talk about perfectionism I'm talking about being unhappy and dissatisfied and using anorexia as a means to manage those feelings. Perfectionism vis a vis oneself is always about a belief one is inadequate (compared to an unrealistic ideal, it's why it's such a vicious and insidious trap). It's not a narcissistic perfectionism or control that I'm suggesting (that kind of narcissism is due to a lack of ability to empathize and is generally about berating others for not perfectly filling the narcissists generally impossible to fill needs). Of course, people who feel inadequate can be attracted to relationships with narcissists (and narcissists often target people who feel inadequate for a variety of reasons).

                You're right about how malnutrition caused by anorexia can cause many additional problems (and is the reason anorexia can be deadly) - including brain damage. Just as obesity can cause many additional (and fatal) health (and even cognitive) problems for people. In the same way that overeating masks emotions, starvation can do so since it creates a sense of euphoria. Food and emotions are intertwined for a variety of reasons. I don't think it's a simplistic thing at all.

                Anyway, my main point is just that the "health food" industry often lies about food - particularly one's that are being pushed as the next "miracle food" fad. (Dr Mercola makes a lot of money from what he promotes, he's also prone to distorting science to market his ideas at times). There's nothing wrong with coconut oil in moderation but don't believe the marketing hype!
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    Thu, May 14, 2009 - 5:30 PM see this link
    It's my understanding that coconut is very high in Omega 3's which is how and why is help one lose weight. Along with moderation, exercise and balancing the omega needed for our mind & bodies to operate in balance.
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      Sat, May 16, 2009 - 7:40 AM
      Omega 3s don't help one lose weight and coconut oil isn't actually high in Omega 3s (butter made from purely grass fed cow milk can be). Flax seed, canola and soybean oils are high in omega 3s (as are many fish oils) so if that's what you're after use them (or walnut oil). Cooking oils at high heats destroys many of their health benefits (so, yes, deep fried foods are still not "healthy"). Omega 3s are a fatty acid used by the brain mainly and it's about consuming a health balance of omega 3 and 6. Omega threes are an anticoagulant and increase HDL cholesterol. Coconut oil seems to be a source of Omega 6s but not 3s (and the claims about omega 3s in coconut oil come from the same kinds of sources that make other untrue claims in order to move as much of their product as possible).

      Mercola is NOT a good source of nutritional information and has a huge conflict of interest going on in that he sells what he promotes.
      • Re: coconut oil?

        Sat, May 16, 2009 - 7:42 AM
        Eating small or moderate amounts of oil and fats sates us so we don't feel as hungry, which is why no-fat diets generally don't work very well and are torturous for people on them. And why diets that include moderate amounts of fat are easier to sustain.
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    Thu, May 14, 2009 - 11:41 PM
    I finally got around to watching that episode of Martha. I noticed that the girl seemed to be somewhat of a flake, but that is a personal observation. What struck me as odd is that the oil was in liquid form, but she didn't mention heating it. CO is solid (like lard) at room temp - at least when it's pure. So I'm wondering what she was using. She stated it was burned as energy or something - duh! We eat food for energy - and the nutrition it provides our bodies. If the CO she uses is pure, then it's a good product - but I don't believe she really knows what she's talking about.
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      Wed, June 3, 2009 - 10:15 AM
      Coconut oil is a medium chain fatty acid, which doesn't need bile to digest, so it's great for people who haven't been eating enough fats, as well as people who have had their gallbladder removed. It is a very healthy fat, and is anti-inflammatory. It seems to be solid, but this is only because it is a tropical oil, so when the temperatures heat up, it will be a liquid on your shelf. It has fewer calories per gram than other fats. The saturated fats myth/brainwashing has been going on long enough to have a lot of people avoiding it much to the detriment of their health...what kinds of fats do you think people ate for hundreds of thousands of years? Cancer and heart disease, diabetes and other modern illnesses are fueled by our modern high refined carbohydrate diets, and not the unadultereted fats that humans have lived on for most of our history. Eat coconut oil, and enjoy. And by the way, fats are not stored as fat, they can't be, as they do not cause an insulin reaction. Carbs are stored as fat, as is excess protein. So, eat unadulteraed fats(i.e. extra virgin, organic, from grass fed animals, etc.)! For more information, read Mary Enig's amazing reference book on fats entitled; Know Your Fats:The Complete Primer for Understanding the Nurition of Fats, Oils, and Cholestol. Also check out the Weston Price Foundation's website:
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        Wed, June 3, 2009 - 8:16 PM
        "And by the way, fats are not stored as fat, they can't be, as they do not cause an insulin reaction."

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          Mon, June 15, 2009 - 11:13 PM
          Yeah it is science teacher way back in school must have had it all wrong.
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            Wed, June 17, 2009 - 8:39 AM
            While fat may not be directly stored as fat on the body it adds to the total calories you are taking in a day. The extra calories from other foods you eat throughout the day may be stored as fat.
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              Wed, June 17, 2009 - 8:42 AM
              Oh and fats are high in calories, but if you disinclude fats from your diet you will probably overeat other foods. Eating fat makes you feel satiated. Low fat diets are the diets that are bad for your body.
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    Fri, July 17, 2009 - 10:06 PM
    My wife and I use Nutiva organic extra virgin coconut oil. We cook with it on a lot of things and it works great. My wife has made empanadas and the crust was so crispy, it had a nice refreshing taste without the grease, we did not even have to dry it with a paper towel, We have made cajun sweet potato fries, grill cheese and this is the best oil that we have cooked with.

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